Thinning hair/see through to scalp?!

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Thinning hair/see through to scalp?!

Postby hopez » Sat Nov 26, 2005 3:52 pm

Hi, First time posting. I tried doing a search on this but all sorts of unrelated stuff come up so here goes: I'm 47 so prob. in peri-menopause. In September I noticed (after reading a book on peri-meno.) that to my horror/shock/disgust/shock/shock/shock, my hair was thinning on top. Like this, if you lift up your bangs/bang area straight up you would see your scalp through the thin layer of hair instead of it being thicker with hair. When hair is wet it is truly frightening if it is not combed. I became obsessed. I saw a skin specialist who after 2 minutes, no testing (typical dr. crap) said it looked like female pattern loss, I almost threw up. I went to my primary dr. had tests run but she would not do hormone testing, she didn't see the need (DUH! WHAT) so now I am going to a derm that supposedly knows about hair. I have been to other sites (my fave and a great one is heralopecia.com, if you are interested) so I know a lot about this now and there isn't much to be done. So, what I really want to know is, who has this here, anyone? In perimenopause I mean. I know that this is common in older women but I feel so alone. I have read where many women have this but I have seen only 3 (under 60) in the 3 months I have been looking. And believe me, I am checking it out.....So, who here has this problem, how much does it bother you ( I am almost beyond help sometimes, I have thought of ending it at my worst times, this has taken me by surprise times 1000) How do you deal and do you think it is common.........This is killing me. Hope
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Postby drjudy » Sat Nov 26, 2005 5:19 pm

Dear Hope,

I too have been frantic with perimenopausal hair loss. After trying a number of different solutions, I have finally stumbled on the solution, just in the last six weeks!

Thinking back to other times in my life when my hair thinned in an abrupt and alarming fashion--within three months of delivering each of my two children--I realized that dropping levels of hormones was at the root of my loss. First I tried various estrogen solutions on my scalp without success.

Earlier this year, I had the privilege of sitting next to a leading menopause expert from California. He mentioned that progesterone is the hormone that supports hair. I sat on that suggestion until early October when I finally gave it a try. Now, less than two months later, my hair loss has slowed to a very low level. Better yet, my hair has more body and shine, just like it did during pregnancy. I am hopeful that some will grow back, but just stopping the loss and improving the quality has stopped my fretting (I'd even been known to count the hairs that came out during the post-shampoo combout.

Best wishes,
Judy
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Postby colopam » Sat Nov 26, 2005 5:38 pm

Hello Hope!!!
You've got some good company here and great support!!! Our hair is such an important part of our being a woman I truly hope that your doc can help. Keep your chin up tho and keep us updated 'k?
Dr. Judy, let us know hos your concoction turns out and whether you can get somehing going with a compound pharmacist, how wonderful that would be!

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Postby hopez » Sat Dec 03, 2005 10:25 am

HMM< Is this a site to sell some concoction someone made up because I am devastated and was looking for support from women in peri menopause who are going through this. Since this site is supposed to be about peri/meno I thought this would be the place. NO ONE is experiencing this, I think I'lll stick to the other sites, this one is either slow or no one cares about this, very disappointing......H
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Postby drjudy » Sat Dec 03, 2005 11:11 am

Dear Hope,

I am definitely not hear to sell a concoction. I would never give a prescription item to someone that I had not seen in consultation. I was hoping, however, to come up with specific directions that women might take to their own doctors as a suggestion for a trial treatment.

Believe me, I sympathize entirely with your dilemma, not only because I know many women who have experienced distressing hair loss, but also because I've also had this problem and know what heart-breaking condition it is. Sure there are worse things than hair loss, but that doesn't diminish the anguish associated with this problem.

The reason I brought up the progesterone solution is that I have tried many many recommended remedies--biotin, Nioxin shampoo, red jojoba shampoo, rosemary oil, saw palmetto, and Rogaine. While the latter, Rogaine, did stop the loss after about three months, it initially caused an alarming increase in loss both times that I tried it. In addition, it needs to be used twice daily on dry hair on an ongoing basis which is a bother, and one that I could not imagine doing for years and years.

I'm glad you've found support on other forums. You may want to ask your doctor about working with him/her and a compounding pharmacy to see if topical progesterone could work for you too.

Best wishes,
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Postby berykute » Sat Dec 03, 2005 10:46 pm

I have exactly the same problem of thining hair under my bangs. I did have my hairdresser cut my bangs farther back and I am now using rogaine,which seems to be working This is a very common thing in menopause my doc. said it is usually very limited.
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Postby minniepauz » Sun Dec 04, 2005 9:41 am

hopez wrote:HMM< Is this a site to sell some concoction someone made up because I am devastated and was looking for support from women in peri menopause who are going through this. Since this site is supposed to be about peri/meno I thought this would be the place. NO ONE is experiencing this, I think I'lll stick to the other sites, this one is either slow or no one cares about this, very disappointing......H


It looks like hopez is someone who looking for a quick solution to a problem that millions of women are dealing with. I could sense her frustration, but I also read that she has been to several doctors and she says "not much can be done". Evidently she only skimmed Judy's post to come up with the idea that she was "selling some concoction".

If she would have used the search section on this site, she would have come up with 74 different threads for "hair loss" (or thinning) and she would have seen the other women who are dealing with this problem. Here's one of them: http://www.minniepauz.com/forum/viewtop ... =hair+loss

There's also a link to an article Dr. Judy wrote on the subject: http://www.womenof.com/articles/hc032700.asp

Anyway, I think what she said was very rude and I think it's just as well that she sticks to the other sites.
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Postby Hopefully » Sun Dec 04, 2005 5:20 pm

Dr. Judy, you've provided so many of us with encouragement, options, and support and I thank you so very much for caring and taking the time to respond. I'm interested in knowing the progress of your hair growth, since I've also noticed some hair thinning and have began using progesterone cream and made additional changes in hopes of strengthening my hair.

Hope that you realize just how much so many of us appreciate you :).

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Postby hopez » Mon Dec 05, 2005 7:30 am

Dear Minniepauz, Let me clear up a few things. 1) I did do a search which I noted in my post and once again I will say it doesn't narrow it down quite enough. Also, as in the thread you linked, most of them are about hair noitceably falling out, not gradually thinning/see through. 2) As far as my saying it looks like there is not much to be done, well in the other link you posted Dr. Judy says "the outlook for womens goldy locks is not so hopeful". So it seems I'm not the only one who feels this way. 3) I was not the first person to use the word "concoction". If you read the thread you will see this. 4) Do not assume I am looking for a quick solution to this problem. Yes, that would be great, wouldn't it?! But I am not stupid. I have done much research on this hair crap and the fact is it sure doesn't seem like we are going to get a miracle does it? That's why I came here, for support from others in peri menopause who are experiencing this. When the only replies I got were a welcome (thanks, by the way) and a post about a formula someone made up (and these hormone solutions are not the answer much of the time, there are many things to consider before trying) after losing hair post childbirth (which is another condition all together, by the way) I became a little frustrated. So, excuse me....Not a very nice welcome from an administator and you are not very sympathetic to someone who is in shock and grief. I don't think this is the place for me. I was hoping I would get to talk to women in their 40's about hair thinning but so far, no good. I'm sorry you can not understand the frustration of this problem ( I assume you have no hair problems?), posting about it and getting a reply that really seems odd, that is how I felt that day......If Dr. Judy's stuff works for her and others than I am happy for them. I mean't no harm. You have to think of it from my point of view, a newcomer. Don't know if I will be back. Maybe, maybe not. I am not a bad person. I am hurt, I am angry, I am frustrated. Too bad you can't understand......Hope
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Postby colopam » Mon Dec 05, 2005 8:15 am

Hope
I'm truly sorry about your frustration, I can only imagine. I believe that thinning hair is truly one of my fears as I have always had thick hair. Our crowns are very much a part of our identity as women. I can say that the boards have been a bit slow lately (maybe the season I don't know) and I'm sure that others have had this situation. I do hope that a solution can be found for this and no I don't think that enough research has been done as far as womens health. lot of studies are only conducted on men (like heart research for example) well what works for them MAY NOT work for us so the drug companies ARE missing out on a HUGE area. I do hope that we will find a solution for this and please let us know how you fair and what you've found out.
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Postby hopez » Mon Dec 05, 2005 6:42 pm

Thanks Pam, Your'e right. Medicine should be doing more about this. It is incredible how little info and knowledge the dr.s have about this. They just don't care. It isn't life threatening so they feel "too bad, just deal". It is sad.....Hope
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Postby colopam » Mon Dec 05, 2005 7:36 pm

Hope
It is soo frustrating, I've heard that there've been studies done exclusively on men (and even then middle age white males) then later studies have shown that the results aren't across the board for women or sometimes even race!! For example a heart attack can present differently for women than for men and as such they are often overlooked until too late! I know that I've had to do alot of my own research and what I've found here is tht we start to pool our sources and what might work for some may not be valid for others but at least we know that with persistance we might be able to make a difference!
Keep in contact girl!
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Postby hopez » Tue Dec 06, 2005 7:08 am

Maybe I'll come back when I start getting other Peri/menopause symptoms. So far, I haven't found anyone to relate to on the hair stuff and that's my main concern. This place is too slow for people that need answers and comfort, not being mean, it's just what it is....... Thanks for caring though......Hope
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Postby minniepauz » Tue Dec 06, 2005 7:14 am

So far, I haven't found anyone to relate to on the hair stuff and that's my main concern. This place is too slow for people that need answers and comfort, not being mean, it's just what it is

That's why it's called a menopause board, my friend. I think you've been very unkind to the women who did respond to you (regardless of what I personally said in my post), so I am pleased that you will not be back. We try to keep a more positive attitude around here.
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Postby drjudy » Tue Dec 06, 2005 4:22 pm

Interesting that hair should be such a hot topic, as in hot emotions too. I get annoyed with myself that I set so much store by my hair, but that's just the way it is.

So far so good with this progesterone cream. I'll bet I haven't shed one hundred hairs in the last two weeks, vs. the 150-200 per day that were jumping ship or rather head before (but who's counting? good heavens can you believe that some mornings I actually did?).

Hopefully, I don't know if the over the counter progesterone cream would be strong enough, but I do know it wouldn't work unless directly applied to scalp. It took about 5-6 weeks to see results with stronger cream--let me know if you try the OTC stuff.

Best,
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